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<tr class="field"><th class="field-name">Title:</th><td class="field-body">Standardizing "arch" keywording across all archs.</td>
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<tr class="field"><th class="field-name">Author:</th><td class="field-body">Grant Goodyear <g2boojum at gentoo.org></td>
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<tr class="field"><th class="field-name">Post-History:</th><td class="field-body">6-Sep-2005 15-Sep-2005 3-Sep-2006</td>
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<li><a class="reference" href="#status" id="id10" name="id10">Status</a></li>
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<li><a class="reference" href="#credits" id="id11" name="id11">Credits</a></li>
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<li><a class="reference" href="#motivation" id="id13" name="id13">Motivation</a></li>
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<li><a class="reference" href="#stabling-guidelines-for-all-archs" id="id15" name="id15">Stabling guidelines for all archs</a></li>
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<li><a class="reference" href="#x86-arch-team" id="id16" name="id16">x86 arch team</a></li>
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<li><a class="reference" href="#rationale" id="id17" name="id17">Rationale</a></li>
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<h1><a class="toc-backref" href="#id10" id="status" name="status">Status</a></h1>
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<p>Approved by the Gentoo Council on 15 September 2005. As of 20060903
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we have a robust x86 arch team, so this GLEP is final</p>
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<p>This GLEP originated from a rather contentious <a class="reference" href="http://tinyurl.com/bp859">discussion</a> <a class="footnote-reference" href="#id2" id="id3" name="id3">[1]</a> on gentoo-dev
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about combining the x86 and amd64 keywords. This GLEP attempts to get at the
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heart of that discontent. The proposed stable-keyword guidelines have been
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lifted verbatim from <a class="reference" href="http://dev.gentoo.org/~plasmaroo/devmanual">The Doc</a> <a class="footnote-reference" href="#id4" id="id5" name="id5">[2]</a>.</p>
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<h1><a class="toc-backref" href="#id12" id="abstract" name="abstract">Abstract</a></h1>
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<p>It is time for x86 to no longer be an exception to the standard
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keywording guidelines. Thus, an x86 arch team should be responsible
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for moving packages from ~x86 to x86.</p>
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<p>The original, informal x86 keywording policy, where almost any x86 dev (which
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were the vast majority of devs) who used a package could mark it stable, arose
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from a time when there were relatively few Gentoo devs. Adding packages to
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the tree was the principal concern, as opposed to maintaining existing
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packages. QA considerations have since modified that policy slightly, and now
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it is the package maintainers who should mark an x86 package stable. Of
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course, that policy presumes that package maintainers are generally x86 devs,
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which is slowly becoming less and less true.</p>
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<p>This policy for x86 is quite different from how every other arch marks
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packages stable. For the non-x86 archs, each arch has a specific "arch team"
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which is responsible for moving packages from <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">~arch</span></tt> to <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">arch</span></tt>, although
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vapier notes that "arch teams generally defer to maintainers (and rightly so)
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as to <em>when</em> newer versions should go stable." This approach has worked quite
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well for the non-x86 archs, and this GLEP asserts that the same approach would
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benefit x86 as well.</p>
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<p>For a package to move to stable, the following guidelines must be met:</p>
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packages which have only minor changes between versions, a shorter period
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is sometimes appropriate.</li>
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<li>The package must not have any non-<tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">arch</span></tt> dependencies.</li>
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<p>A robust x86 arch team needs to be created. The <a class="reference" href="mailto:x86@gentoo.org">x86@gentoo.org</a> alias already
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non-dev <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">arch</span> <span class="pre">testers</span></tt>, has the responsibility of stabling all x86 packages.
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either be members of or make individual arrangements with the x86 arch team.</p>
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<p>There will be a considerable one-time cost involved in establishing a robust
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x86 arch team--a good number of bodies (the amd64 arch team has 19 active devs
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and 12 active non-dev arch testers) need to be recruited to be part of the
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new arch team, and convincing devs that it is in their best interests to work
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in a new fashion is likely to be even harder. Certainly the benefit of
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consistency between the various archs is obvious, but is it worth the cost
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involved? Here are the arguments for enduring the pain involved:</p>
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become the norm. The implicit assumptions that underly the current
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system (that most devs, users, and package maintainers use x86)
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will become increasingly less valid.</li>
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behavior is representative, most x86 devs run <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">~x86</span></tt> systems.
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valid. One obvious consequence is that packages tend to languish in
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cause to notice that a package has not been marked stable. The much larger
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the context of a full <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">x86</span></tt> tree, so the big picture of a stable
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<em>system</em>, not just a stable package, is lost. This approach of stabling
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in the context of a full stable <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">arch</span></tt> tree, it has been <a class="reference" href="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/30369">argued</a> <a class="footnote-reference" href="#id6" id="id7" name="id7">[3]</a>, is
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the fundamental reason why the non-x86 archs have notably better QA
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than does the x86 arch.</li>
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existing x86 devs to go along with it.</p>
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package maintainer's intention explicit. Ciaranm has responded that by
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definition a package in <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">~arch</span></tt> is a candidate for <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">arch</span></tt>, so a package's
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mere presence in the tree (without being in <tt class="docutils literal"><span class="pre">package.mask</span></tt>) should indicate
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the package maintainer's intention. There was a fair bit of discussion about
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whether the idea should be a "maint" keyword, or named something else, or an
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entirely different variable, etcetera, but the basic gist didn't change much.</p>
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overlays, but that new portage (gensync) support would be needed to make it
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truly viable. Stuart pointed out that php5 support was handled just that way.
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to override a package maintainer when it comes to stabling a package. Stuart
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has asserted that in those cases the arch team should be willing to take on
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the support burden for that package.</p>
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